tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4916222985378902903.post7252286805804829659..comments2013-01-26T12:03:57.781-08:00Comments on Mr. Rottens Neighborhood: Oh What a Wonderful Feeling!JohnieRottenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09556383138019987399noreply@blogger.comBlogger91125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4916222985378902903.post-69921980083329843002009-08-06T08:43:55.951-07:002009-08-06T08:43:55.951-07:00CnJ I must insist that you stop taking all the mys...CnJ I must insist that you stop taking all the mystery out of horse training and making it seem and sound so...well practical for lack of a better word.<br />*giggle*snort*lmaoDenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16169193080215723583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4916222985378902903.post-12847122481091348822009-08-05T11:45:28.226-07:002009-08-05T11:45:28.226-07:00HP- would you believe the previously mentioned per...HP- would you believe the previously mentioned person is a self professed trainer? Yep, hosts clinics for one of her heroes and aspires to dressage... <br /><br />The horse was bred by a local farm, had trailering issues when younger and still breeder owned. I'm not sure where the wheels fell off, but 3 hours of lunging for a leadline class? Shamtastic advertising at it's finest for your training methods there. *eyeroll*<br /><br />We lunge every horse before every ride. If they want to buck, snort and race a little, fine. Do it now, before I get on. When they relax and settle themselves down, it's time to mount up. I can't imagine showing without riding the warm up. Last chance to make sure I have my shit straight, signals clear and getting the correct responses.<br /><br />As a workout for conditioning, a little racy in the beginning- ok I can deal but at some point they need to chill out and behave. When they do, then we ask for a little more work and quit, but not on their terms, on ours.<br /><br />If they turn towards the center as they stop, ok, but don't come crowding in and invading my space. When spooked, they may just come flying in for reassurance and run me down in the process. Not what I want...Cut-N-Jumphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03603347619547454296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4916222985378902903.post-44700394247479871262009-08-05T06:56:04.838-07:002009-08-05T06:56:04.838-07:00Some trainers use treadmills to tire out WP horses...Some trainers use treadmills to tire out WP horses before they go into the ring.<br /><br />*sigh*cattypexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17589672286463092432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4916222985378902903.post-25870652153571657432009-08-04T20:45:41.986-07:002009-08-04T20:45:41.986-07:00JR I wanted to add something if I may about the lo...JR I wanted to add something if I may about the longeing aspect.<br /><br />I consider the longe to be part of the line training.<br />That said, it seems to me that a lot of trainers and riders have forgotten or maybe never knew what part longeing plays in training.<br /><br />Where I come from longeing is an extention of ground control and training.<br />You may be 20-30 feet away from me but I am still driving the bus.<br />I am still the pilot.<br /><br />When I teach a horse to longe it is a prelude to how I want them to perform in all things.<br />Quietly, attentively, and in a relaxed manner.<br />It is not free time to act a fool.<br />That is turn out time.<br />Neither is it ever meant to tire out.<br />To me it is time to stretch out, limber up, relax, and get your thinking cap on.<br />I do not like to imprint youngstock with the thought that longeing is a necessary prelude to riding.<br />That just becomes another thing they need to be weaned of to become a proper saddle horse.<br /><br />I know you get that JR. The longeline is just another tool that it seems to me has been greatly misused.<br />Longeing is another form of a workout.<br />Another form of exercising.<br />But I expect the horses I am longing to be as soft on a line as I make them in the halter.<br /><br />If they turn and face you? You have not done your training.<br />If, you are constantly braced against the line? That too is incorrect.<br />And if, you tried to put the whoa on your horse after giving them 20-30 feet of line to run?<br />That is the wrong order.<br /><br />It is also a fitting tool for halter horses.<br />Now I know that halter is recognized as a performance sport.<br />I just don't see it that way.<br /><br />Okay I am done. Sorry to be so long.<br /><br />And thank you for the condolences.Denahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16169193080215723583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4916222985378902903.post-91011811377542763642009-08-04T20:20:57.348-07:002009-08-04T20:20:57.348-07:00I swear, AQHA people lunge to SHOW OFF their gadge...I swear, AQHA people lunge to SHOW OFF their gadgets and Sleezies. Oversweated necks just look so WEIRD and atrophied.<br /><br />I love to munch my way around the market in downtown Columbus. Start with sushi, end up with the exotic ice cream place. The food vendors at Congress aren't nearly as good as the ones at the Indiana State Fair. MMMMmmmm....... Pineapple Whip.... MMMMMmmmm.........<br /><br />My rust breeches were made of VISA© - America's Freedom Fabric!<br /><br />All the photos I find of my red mare show her ears back. Not pissy (except when I screwed up), just floppity on hot show days. I never noticed from the saddle.<br /><br />I never felt the need to sweat HER neck. This guy who was (still is) very into Arabs always asked if she was for sale. "Why?" "Because she has such a nice NECK!"cattypexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17589672286463092432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4916222985378902903.post-47078696880962108962009-08-04T20:04:56.986-07:002009-08-04T20:04:56.986-07:00I agree. If you need to start at the lunge...fine...I agree. If you need to start at the lunge...fine. But you need to do your riding warm-up under saddle. I can't imagine trying to enter a class without riding my warm-up. It had never occured to me. But just because I didn't think of it doesn't mean it doesn't happen all the time. lolhorspoorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12838010404746375255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4916222985378902903.post-50890499344698730682009-08-04T19:57:06.036-07:002009-08-04T19:57:06.036-07:00Hp
I do definitely agree with you. But it is imp...Hp<br /><br />I do definitely agree with you. But it is important to remember that you do your ground training on the ground and you performance work on their backs. JMO<br /><br />in other words if you need to warm them up for a western or English class. Ride th to warm them upJohnieRottenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09556383138019987399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4916222985378902903.post-67044111903012098532009-08-04T19:41:43.028-07:002009-08-04T19:41:43.028-07:00For me lunging is very worthwhile. However, and J...For me lunging is very worthwhile. However, and JR may agree or disagree with me...but use it for training. They should be thinking, paying attention to you. Working on up and down transitions. Tempo should be consistent. They shouldn't be rushing...they should be working on the lunge.horspoorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12838010404746375255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4916222985378902903.post-32269998836901521912009-08-04T18:25:42.641-07:002009-08-04T18:25:42.641-07:00We have a restaurant in our town that offers a bow...We have a restaurant in our town that offers a bowl of gravy, too. You can get gravy on hash browns with a biscuit. It's a gravy with bits of meat (I'm guessing Spam?) in it. My hubby ordered it last weekend. Good thing he has a high metabolism, because it probably had enough calories in it to last me the whole day! <br />We go into Columbus occasionaly to eat. Our favorite, though, is La Scala in Dublin. Pasta made fresh every day. MMMM yum.<br /><br />I tried once to lunge my gray to get the extra energy out before I rode him. He could be very, uh, forward. All it did was warm him up. He was on from the time you got on until you got off. To cool him out you had to get off. Otherwise you'd be there all day trying to cool him down. He's a little bit better now that he's 19. Not much, mind you, but a little. He certainly taught me lunging is totaly useless to settle a horse down.joannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03500429327989494566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4916222985378902903.post-49678473513607366912009-08-04T16:01:41.552-07:002009-08-04T16:01:41.552-07:00The walk isn't nearly fast enough, for an over...The walk isn't nearly fast enough, for an over-anxious novice. So much can be learned at the walk.<br />The walk is highly under-rated, extremely under-used. Trust comes with walking, and finding out how hard "just" walking can be.<br />applauding....<br />and not even tapping fingers impatiently. Such self-control!<br />Plus CNJ has the TwinBoosterRockets'n a Castle!GoLightlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18283690734019490983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4916222985378902903.post-4977725955936135002009-08-04T13:46:27.241-07:002009-08-04T13:46:27.241-07:00I spend a lot of time walking. Esp re-treds. The...I spend a lot of time walking. Esp re-treds. They need a safe relaxed place to go back to regroup. I like them to stretch that neck out, and swing in the walk.horspoorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12838010404746375255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4916222985378902903.post-15487678877027046572009-08-04T13:39:22.848-07:002009-08-04T13:39:22.848-07:00Hp
That is why we do a lot of the training at th...Hp <br /><br />That is why we do a lot of the training at the walk. Tkat keeps em from getting hot. Them when we cool the we always do it on their backs at the walk.JohnieRottenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09556383138019987399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4916222985378902903.post-47294364554674253612009-08-04T13:21:14.917-07:002009-08-04T13:21:14.917-07:00I've watched people do that. Using lunging to...I've watched people do that. Using lunging to make them tired so you can ride them. Talk about self defeating. The horse gets fitter and fitter....and still hasn't learned a damn thing. <br /><br />Yeah, that's what I want...a super fit very green (training-wise) horse that is probably really resentful. Perfect. Must just be a joy to ride.horspoorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12838010404746375255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4916222985378902903.post-84712018443981357232009-08-04T12:21:49.329-07:002009-08-04T12:21:49.329-07:00Anon woman- I learned to team rope on a Saddlebred...Anon woman- I learned to team rope on a Saddlebred. They are very kind and easy going when handled right. Sadly what so many see are not the horses like the one I knew and the one you have.Cut-N-Jumphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03603347619547454296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4916222985378902903.post-56634949979595732522009-08-04T12:17:53.120-07:002009-08-04T12:17:53.120-07:00HP- You wouldn't believe the story behind this...HP- You wouldn't believe the story behind this one. I know the horse and worked with her long ago. She didn't have any issues other than a less than stellar start in life.Cut-N-Jumphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03603347619547454296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4916222985378902903.post-7250533213439975282009-08-04T05:35:51.294-07:002009-08-04T05:35:51.294-07:00I love red mares! I never really paid much attenti...I love red mares! I never really paid much attention to that being a pattern in my life, but it sure has been. I tend to prefer mares over geldings in general, altho they are harder to "win over" at the beginning. But once you have their trust in your leadership, I find them to be much bolder and have much more "heart" than many geldings.<br /><br />My special red mare right now is my saddlebred mare - who has never done saddleseat but has done everything I have asked her to try. Rugged trails, lessons, western, english, fun and games, dressage, taught many beginners and intermediate riders the basics, will stand and let tiny ones "pony paint" her half the day, and we have even worked cattle with her. She's one in a million.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4916222985378902903.post-28266791141170159162009-08-03T14:12:11.468-07:002009-08-03T14:12:11.468-07:00Well that's nuts. Why not train the horse, ra...Well that's nuts. Why not train the horse, rather than trying to tire it out. It will just get fitter and fitter, and naughtier and naughtier. lolhorspoorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12838010404746375255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4916222985378902903.post-73095761665792672132009-08-03T14:00:51.648-07:002009-08-03T14:00:51.648-07:00GL- maybe JR can do that as a topic and give it it...GL- maybe JR can do that as a topic and give it it's own post. <br /><br />We knew a woman who had a horse that she seemed to brag about having to take the horse to the showgrounds several hours before a show and lunge, lunge, lunge, lunge the poor thing damn near to death before their classes. She told us about one class she lunged the mare for 3 hours for a lead line class!Cut-N-Jumphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03603347619547454296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4916222985378902903.post-5149501957495022822009-08-03T13:57:28.952-07:002009-08-03T13:57:28.952-07:00CP- I was in Columbus once. What's the name o...CP- I was in Columbus once. What's the name of that restaraunt where you can order a bowl of gravy. Honestly it's on the menu.<br /><br />Bowl of gravy. You want biscuits or anything to dip in it? You better order them too. Who would have thought! They have the buffet or you can order off the menu. "Sams" or something like that. <br /><br />Fig- I hope things work out for the best in concern to Nor. Those least understood are usually the first to be compromised when things take a turn. At least he has you watching out for him!Cut-N-Jumphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03603347619547454296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4916222985378902903.post-59608753067005852802009-08-03T13:24:38.931-07:002009-08-03T13:24:38.931-07:00I had copper colored ones. I may still have them....I had copper colored ones. I may still have them. I think they were Devonaire Versailles, light cotton for summer. <br /><br />I tye-dyed a pair of white dressage breeches I'd thrashed after two shows. "F" em if they can't take a joke. But I also have a hat that says, "Those that say life is too short....Have never watched Dressage."horspoorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12838010404746375255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4916222985378902903.post-53561639978111247972009-08-03T12:01:50.689-07:002009-08-03T12:01:50.689-07:00cattypex - I had copper-coloured breeches as well ...<b>cattypex</b> - I had copper-coloured breeches as well back then in the 80s-90s - very helpful in case they ripped because then your copper-coloured pantees would not be so obvious. <br /><br />I also had dark teal breeches. And a pair that could only be described as a sort of smoky purple. <br /><br />I guess I was hoping that they would fool the onlooker into thinking I was blessed with the long, elegant legs that were simply not there.... heh.flying fighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02275173367863724270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4916222985378902903.post-26977937148434360062009-08-03T08:50:42.627-07:002009-08-03T08:50:42.627-07:00I had copper colored breeches in the 80s that matc...I had copper colored breeches in the 80s that matched my mare perfectly! OOOO they were ugly but I thought they made my leg disappear.<br /><br />About Congress.... if we go, we'll be meeting up with a relative whose Judging Team usually makes it... but I can't STAND watching the peanut rolling trit trotty sad sad SAD WP/HUS horses. I was forced to watch an entire versatility class once, and it was sickening.<br /><br />I do like the cutters and reiners, though the babies in futurities make me sad.<br /><br />And the shopping is fun, though it's always the same vendors with the same stuff. <br /><br />Eating in Downtown Columbus is always a treat.cattypexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17589672286463092432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4916222985378902903.post-12347548904593092512009-08-03T08:29:43.694-07:002009-08-03T08:29:43.694-07:00I obviously have to love the reds.
They're h...I obviously have to love the reds. <br /><br />They're honest horses, and I love all my animals sassy (my African Grey just told me to shutup, then laughed like a wheezy old man).amarygmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08710889429149749284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4916222985378902903.post-36963959369098723192009-08-02T22:48:19.046-07:002009-08-02T22:48:19.046-07:00Copper colored pantees why does that just sound li...Copper colored pantees why does that just sound like something I must have?<br />I keep wishing for a horse the color of my hair but have not had one since Ruby.<br />And yes, I am shallow like that.<br />If, I was blonde I would probably be much more enamored of the pally.<br />Good thing I don't have black hair.<br />A good black horse is hard to find and costs a fright when you do.<br /><br />CCC the pictures are there. Maybe hit refresh?<br /><br />Hard choices suck FF. I wish you much luck and peace with your's.Denahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16169193080215723583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4916222985378902903.post-23830028515534840582009-08-02T18:52:37.101-07:002009-08-02T18:52:37.101-07:00Seriously, FF. I had to bite my fingers 'til t...Seriously, FF. I had to bite my fingers 'til they bled. Figuratively.<br />I kudoed you on the 'tother blog, and I still didn't say anything.<br />Hard choices in horses.<br /><br />How do you handle hot, JR? CNJ?<br />everybody?<br />:)<br /><br />Hot tempered HORSES.<br />sheeesh.<br />How do you tell if one will be hot to ride, or cold?<br />Or can you?<br />A horse can be cold on the ground, but hot in the tack.<br />How about vice versa?<br />How do you "know"?<br /><br />Hey, I'm on holiday tomorrow. I can wait:)<br /><br /><")GoLightlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18283690734019490983noreply@blogger.com